(from Bill Moyers – A World of Ideas II. The book was a collection of Bill Moyers’s interviews with “some of themost outstanding minds of our time”. Thefollowing are excerpts from the interview transcript with Robert Bly, apreeminent American poet. I was deeplymoved by the conversation.)

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关于父亲/父辈对男孩/男人的决定性影响:

A woman can bring the boy from being a fetus to being a boy, but she can’t move him from being a boy to being a man. Only other men can do that.

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Many women bless young men, but the man still needs a blessing from an older man. I heard Robert Moore say to a group of men, “How many of you have admired a younger man in the last two weeks, and told him so?” Silence. “How many of you were admired by older men when you were young?” Silence. Then he said that sentence, “If you are a young man and you’re not being admired by an older man, you’re being hurt.”

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But, you know, men are not hiding their feelings from women. Men look down inside and they don’t see anything in there. There’s a feeling of numbness that, for men, comes early in life.

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关于 “warrior”（暂译为斗士性格）:

Each of us desperately needs our warrior. A warrior is not someone who goes off and kills. That’s the negative warrior, the one without a king.

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The warrior usually has a cause transcendent to himself.

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The king is that part of you that can decide.

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Japanese men were strong in the warrior during the Second World War, and they somehow transferred that into their briefcases and into their VCRs.

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关于grief（暂译为恸）:

Grief is the door to feeling. Being out in nature is not the door to feeling. Excitement, I thought, was the door to feeling. It isn’t. That’s why rock music doesn’t always work in helping people open to feeling. Excitement is not it.